Judgement Day Cometh
This is a quote from a book I am reading right now. ~Before you form your criticism of my reading habits I have also read 3 versions of the Christian book (you know the Bible) as well as the Muslim book (the Quran), the Tao, most (but not all – it’s pretty redundant) of the Dhammapada, as well as the “satanic bible” (don’t waste your time with this one, it’s an egomaniacs delusion). That’s just the relative to religion list. ~ This excerpt says something I have been trying to find a way to say correctly for a long time. More importantly it says it well; if religious acts were not performed by so many people they would be considered completely irrational. Which leads me to the rest of what I wanted to get off my chest.
People have developed sensible answers for most of the questions religion was formed to help alleviate. Amongst those questions are “why is the whole village suffering from a plague?” and “what manner of trickery has befallen my child to make him seem so similar to the milkman?” Now we know the plagues were carried by vermin and filthy habits, and your kid has the milkman’s eyes because your wife is a whore. The only question that has not been answered unequivocally is “what happens after we die?” everything else can be explained and I dare say a lot better than “God did it.”
But I digress let’s get back to “what happens after we die?” I think it’s safe to say we are asking about the consciousness that we believe ourselves to be, since we know the body decays and becomes worm/plant food. Well that seems to be the primary driving force behind religion today so let’s try both sides of this question; rational and religious.
Rational possibilities include:
- Nothing, you fall into oblivion, that same state you were/weren’t in prior to birth.
- The energy that makes up your being is converted and spreads into the ether (Einsteinian theories hint at this possibility)
Those are the only two rational outcomes I can think of so now for the religious possibilities.
Religious Possibilities include:
- Purgatory – awaiting the day of judgment (in the bible souls wait for a single all at once event that is known as Judgment Day, at which time all those dead and alive are judged and sorted into the next two possibilities)
- You wake up in Heaven (where everything is peachy)
- You wake up in Hell (where everything is not peachy)
I include purgatory as a term I am familiar with that the bible doesn’t actually name, but it does state that all souls alive and dead will be judged all at once on Judgment day (not days), although most Christians, Muslims, and Jews (all 3 books are based on the same story(s)) sort of avoid that particular part. I think it’s the lack of instant gratification but who knows.
Now with those lists in mind if you discount the self proving books and think rationally, you would most likely think anyone that believes the second list is living with false hopes. Where as if you discount rationality you would think anyone subscribing to the first list was living in either denial or depression. Now as a rational thinker myself (not necessarily right but at least rational) I tend to think “if it sounds too good to be true, it probably is too good to be true”. Not to mention the fantastical possibility of an all powerful eternal being formatted with human emotion and generalities having a place all set up for a bunch of underlings (relative to his greatness). In short I am curious; how much of what people believe about religion is because they were told it was true by other believers, and how many actually formed their own belief without the “push”? I could go on for a lot longer but have reached my page and a half mark (in Word) and should stop before it turns into a diatribe of tangents.
Closing thought; The moderate view of so many religious individuals indicates the trend of getting away from religion as a whole, already followers discount entire statements and fundamental practices prescribed by the book they claim has been written by an omniscient (because they know better?) being. It is only a matter of time till there will only be a rational list of possibilities. That is if the zealots don’t kill us all on the way.
Credit:
The quote is from “The End of Faith” by Sam Harris. If you have an interest in rational perspectives I recommend it. If you have no tolerance for “heresy” and/or are a member of the local book burning club, you may want to read it and burn it.

9 Comments:
Enjoyed the Rant. Being and Ateist myself, I'm happy to meet other people who don't subscribe to silly superstitions. Lately, i've seen quite a few people who at minimum question thier beliefs and seem to come to thier own conclusions. Others I have met see Religions (Christianity in Particular) for what it is (A Cult) and that it has been a great source to control the masses.
It seems like the Elite minority might have to adjust thier methods of control (and they probably have already "Silent Weapons for a Quiet War")
anyways, good rant, i'll bee here for the next one.
Excellent! welcome to the crew Pop :)
Yeah lately I have noticed an abundence of folks that feel similar to the way I feel about religion as well... however I have also been running into more and more "Missionary" types as well... not sure why.
"Your invisiable friend doesn't scare me." Yeah I know I said this about a week ago but it fits so well with this rant too! Personally I'm all about doin what seems to be the right thing at the moment.
Mark Twain sums up what I think about it so well with this Quote.
"The so-called Christian nations are the most enlightened and progressive...but in spite of their religion, not because of it. The Church has opposed every innovation and discovery from the day of Galileo down to our own time, when the use of anesthetic in childbirth was regarded as a sin because it avoided the biblical curse pronounced against Eve. And every step in astronomy and geology ever taken has been opposed by bigotry and superstition. The Greeks surpassed us in artistic culture and in architecture five hundred years before Christian religion was born."
Religion is always an interresting subject for me, and it seems to get me into the most arguments as well. :/
"Man never does evil so cheerfully and completely as when he does with the backing of religious conviction" Blaise Pascal
...who was btw, a christian...
putting aside my chrisitan beliefs i think one thing should be clear even to most people here. Humans seem to always feel a need to make sense of their world - and they eventually come decide;
a)there is something 'greater', something 'more' or something that 'governs' the world - and there are answers to be found
b)there is nothing more, nothing less, and there are no answers
but to me, the fact that humans are always searching for answers is a hint that there are answers to be found. [Pascal also said;
"There's a God-shaped hole in the heart of every man..."]
I feel like I have the answers. They may only make sense to me, but whatever helps me sleep at night right? I love being challenged - because the way I see it; if my beliefs can not stand up to challenge, they're not worth standing up for at all.
ps: i do not think very much of the Church that populater refers to - the Roman Catholic Church
Captain you ask..... In short I am curious; how much of what people believe about religion is because they were told it was true by other believers, and how many actually formed their own belief without the “push”?...... That is a good question and I think the answer is not many. I think we all get a push , but what happens after we start moving in the direction of the push defines the outcome. Many people sit in church and listen and blindly accept what is said without giving it any thought at all. Some people actually try to find out for themselves. Those people though meet resistance from the masses and the Church itself. That doesn’t mean that the teachings of Christ are wrong.
Captain says...Those are the only two rational outcomes I can think of so now for the religious possibilities , Purgatory , heaven or hell..... Here is a fourth one , how about death? Christ on the cross said to the thief "Today thou shalt be with me in paradise" (Luke 23:43) The question should now be what is paradise? In my opinion it isn't heaven or hell or purgatory. In this instance at least it is the grave , because that is where Christ went that day.
Populater said....The Church has opposed every innovation and discovery from the day of Galileo down to our own time..... The problem with this statement is that the church is not Christ nor does it speak for all Christians. The church is a political force designed to control the masses for profit and power.
I like Mark Twain too Populater , here three more quotes from him on this subject.
If Christ were here there is one thing he would not be--a Christian.
There has been only one Christian. They caught him and crucified him--early.
I found out that I was a Christian for revenue only and I could not bear the thought of that, it was so ignoble.
I enjoyed this - I have always been fascinated by religion - but always been disappointed by the individuals who profess a given faith. I have come to my own spirituality which is truth's that 'feel' right to me - humanist principles etc.
If you want some reading which is fascinating & funny - yet challenging also I can recommend:
God's Debris - by Scott Adams - You can download it for free here:
http://www.andrewsmcmeel.com/godsdebris/
The sequel to it: The religion war - is also good.
Raises questions already asked & some new ones - and provides answers that have the novelty of originality.
Bluebolt - Thanks for that link, I read the whole thing and couldn't keep away from it until it was done. I really enjoyed it. Brings up an interresting Metaphysical argument that is different than I have heard before. I urge anyone to read it if you have not done so already.
Cool thanks for the link Blue, I will hit that one up after I finish with the one I am reading now :)
common comments from most - yes most people have to come to terms with their own beliefs, and I am all about people formulating their own beliefs. My only issue with the mass majority (no one in particular) is that people in general have a tendency to do what the guy/girl next to them is doing and that bugs the hell out of me.
anyway, on to write todays article ( = rant). glad this one got some discussion going it's good to see.
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